I think that the comparison to the kind of apocalyptic doomsayers is really important as well, right? And really draws out some of what the thinking is there. There's so much worrying shit both in the book and beyond the book that we could talk about. But our conversation has gone on for a while. We certainly could have talked about far more because there's so much to dig into on this topic. So my hope certainly is that people will understand that long-termism is not the same as long-term thinking"

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