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The Power of Critical Counter Evidence
Sally Kohn: One of the things I was wondering if you could expand on a little bit too is so I'm thinking specifically there's a meta analysis that you co-authored. She and her co-author broke down studies both critical of these kinds of assessments and boosting, you know, positive, broad, huge claims about the assessments. But before we do that, do you think you could talk through like who some of the big figures are who push this idea and sort of how they sell it?Kohn: Yeah, sure. And just to on what Jules was saying before, like I started in sort of in the sort of carceral humanist reformist reform space