I've heard many people talking about this conversation, um, when they're just having fun. I know that people in America have discussed this question as well. There's a novel published in 2001 by Chris Bachelder called 'Bear versus shark' In the book, they use computer generated bears and sharks. So it's not real bears and sharks but computer generated ones. Now the irony is that here is now me creating, uh, this discussion in the form of a podcast. So, in a way, I'm making this story come true.