How Do We Institutionalize Sham in Our Learning Process?

There were a couple of cases where I'll give you an example of shame and testing. We got just way more stories about shame and testing than we expected. And so that one filled up an entire episodeTesting, you mean like standardized tests or? Yes, Oh, wow, of course, right? Yeah. So it was a little bit different depending on the theme. But yeah, we just, it was a grab bag. We got all kinds of stuff. It's such a great question. Do you think having done all this work now with this space of shame that there is some role for Shame as a emotion of social control? Or do you think it's just never can be