Dropping out after the Gmail moment

In the first episode of the new Growthmates season — The Creator’s Path, Kate Syuma sits down with Nad Chishtie — Head of Design at Lovable, founding designer, and former game developer who has built products used by over 50 million people across Asia.

Nad shares his unconventional path — from dropping out of university during the early days of Gmail, to building games, products, and AI-powered tools that lower the barrier to creation. They discuss why rigid systems don’t work for curious builders, how being a generalist became an advantage, and why perfectionism holds creators back.

This conversation explores AI as a creative playground, not just a productivity tool — and what the future of digital creation looks like when anyone can build without permission.

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Welcome to Growthmates with Kate Syuma — Growth Advisor, ex-Miro. This season, The Creator’s Path, explores unconventional journeys of designers, founders, and builders redefining what it means to create — especially in the age of AI.

Growthmates is where top product and growth leaders share real strategies and insights to help you turn ideas into successful products. Learn from experts at Dropbox, Adobe, Amplitude, Canva, and more in deep dive interviews with Kate Syuma, ex-Miro Head of Growth Design and founder of Growthmates.

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Key highlights from this episode 👇

Dropping Out as a Design Decision: Why Nad left university when innovation outpaced the system — and what that taught him about learning.

Generalist Advantage: How being “B+ at many things” enables faster creation and better end-to-end ownership.

AI as a Creative Playground: Why treating AI like a collaborator, not a tool, unlocks better outcomes.

Building Lovable from Scratch — Three Times: How AI changes the cost of rebuilding and encourages bold experimentation.

Creating Without Limits: Nad’s vision of a future where anyone can build digital products tailored exactly to their needs.

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What we covered:

(00:00) Introduction and Nad's creative beginnings with vinyl scanning

(03:00) The Gmail moment: dropping out of university at 18

(08:00) Breaking free from traditional expectations and limiting beliefs

(13:00) Career breakdown at 18 and moving to Asia

(17:00) The most pivotal decision: trusting your own instincts

(20:00) Silicon Valley dreams and cultural realizations

(26:00) The generalist mindset vs. specialist pigeonholing

(32:00) Redefining who can be a creator with AI

(37:00) Personal software for neurodivergent users

(45:00) Rebuilding Lovable three times from scratch

(49:00) Cutting overhead and protecting creative work

(56:00) The future of creation for the next generation

(59:30) Overcoming perfectionism and embracing optimism

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