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Theresa May and Liz Tross
There are a few pictures I've got of her where she's relaxed and has been laughing. It would just sort of happen, or she'd see someone that she hadn't seen for ages and was very personable with and would laugh. But in the end, being good at the photo op doesn't necessarily make you a good Prime Minister. No, and from my perspective only, it was very difficult mentally, because I'd gone from Boris who we both could read each other and work out each other. You're starting from scratch.