Shawn: I think the way you guys are doing it is officially certified grade a small boy stuff yes i love to tell you why you got bought vice-strike amazing that's big boy stuff. He says vesting out your full term and more  is small boy stuff if you want to be an entrepreneur because basically what you did was like take off six years of your prime to not do it so let's ask that question yeah do you want to have a really dope fun lifestyle doing something else? Shawn: My role model peter levels is my role model he's one of the reasons that i started indie hackers and he's an entrepreneur but like more than anything he just a creator