AI Boom Stalls, Blue Owl’s Next Move, ChatGPT Growth Concerns | Jeffrey Katzenberg, The Winklevoss Twins, Hims & Hers CEO Andrew Dudum, Coatue’s Spencer Peterson, Max Hodak, Melisa Tokmak, Tomás Puig
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- (00:20) - AI Boom Hits Speed Bump
- (11:56) - Will Blue Owl Capital Fly Higher?
- (26:08) - AI Boom Hits Speed Bump
- (34:35) - 𝕏 Timeline Reactions
- (59:12) - Spencer Peterson, a general partner at Coatue Ventures, leads their growth fund focusing on late-stage, transformative technology companies. In the conversation, he discusses Coatue's investment in Cursor, an AI-assisted software development service developed by Anysphere, highlighting its rapid growth to a $9.9 billion valuation and $500 million in annual recurring revenue. Peterson emphasizes Cursor's unique culture, exceptional team, and the broader potential of AI in software development, noting the significant opportunities in the expanding market.
- (01:25:50) - Tyler and Cameron Winklevoss, co-founders of Gemini and Winklevoss Capital, discuss the launch of Cypherpunk Technologies, a rebranded public company focused on privacy and self-sovereignty. They highlight the company's recent $50 million investment in Zcash (ZEC), purchasing 203,775.27 ZEC at an average price of $245 per token, and their long-term commitment to holding these assets. The twins emphasize their belief in Zcash as a means to move value privately and their strategy to avoid fast capital by being the largest investors in the company.
- (01:29:49) - Max Hodak, a biomedical engineer and entrepreneur, is the founder and CEO of Science Corporation, a neurotechnology company developing brain-computer interfaces and retinal prostheses. In the conversation, he discusses his journey from co-founding Neuralink to establishing Science Corp, focusing on their development of the Science Eye—a visual prosthesis aimed at restoring vision for individuals with conditions like retinitis pigmentosa and age-related macular degeneration. He also elaborates on the company's innovative approach to brain-machine interfaces, emphasizing non-invasive technologies that avoid the need for in-skull implants.
- (02:02:27) - Andrew Dudum, founder and CEO of Hims & Hers Health, discusses the company's evolution into a leading telehealth platform offering a wide range of services, including cardiovascular risk assessments, weight loss treatments, and mental health support. He highlights the company's commitment to providing accessible, high-quality care through digital means, treating millions of patients daily. Dudum also emphasizes the importance of preventive healthcare and the role of personalized diagnostics in improving patient outcomes.
- (02:21:08) - Melisa Tokmak, founder and CEO of Netic, an AI company based in San Francisco, discusses how Netic's AI revenue engine assists essential service industries—such as HVAC, plumbing, and electrical services—in managing fluctuating demand by deploying AI agents to handle customer interactions efficiently. She highlights the challenges these industries face, including labor shortages and seasonal demand variations, and explains how Netic's technology enables businesses to predict needs, convert one-time interactions into recurring relationships, and maintain high service levels during peak times. Tokmak also shares that Netic recently secured a $20 million Series B funding round led by Founders Fund, emphasizing the company's strong fundamentals and commitment to building a business with solid margins and efficient scaling.
- (02:35:37) - Jeffrey Katzenberg, Founding Partner at WnderCo, discusses Alembic's recent $145 million funding round and its innovative approach to causal AI, which helps Fortune 500 companies understand the direct impact of their marketing and sales efforts. He highlights a case study with Delta Airlines, where Alembic's technology identified that the most profitable content during the Olympics was not traditional ads but the Delta medal presentation ceremonies, leading to increased ticket sales to Paris. Katzenberg also emphasizes the importance of ingesting vast amounts of data to provide actionable insights, enabling businesses to make informed decisions and optimize their strategies effectively.
- (02:58:11) - 𝕏 Timeline Reactions
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