I'm sure they're having experiences of some sort oh for sure but as a biologist and a professional scientist for a long career I mean at some point don't you ask well where's the control group or something like that. You know certainly under the inputs of drugs can have all sorts of experiences that don't mesh with their rational way of doing things right so what's going on there is this what I call logic type compartments that you just separate them like the like haven't read your book yet.

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