I grew up with relationships. And so I think it's part of the way I grew up that I value those. It's informed the way that I behave in business too. My grandmother was just an incredibly warm, gregarious person. Everybody knew who she was and maybe some of the loyalty that I exhibited came from her either genetically or through living with her. But I definitely felt like a bit of an outsider.

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