Sometimes in congruent affect is just a consequence of a defense mechanism, um. And so if that's the case, then, like, you just need to be aware of that, right? And then ask yourself, why can't i sit with this emotion the way that it is? Like, what makes it really comfortable for me to sat with this? So also, joking, uh, uh? Sometimes with my male patients, we would sometimes talk about, you know, when we have some heavy emotional experience, one of us would crack a joke. And sometimes they would be dick jokes. What we learned to do is say, like, okay, now feels like one of those

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