I think this is a really exciting time and I don't think it's hype to say work and create a lot of solutions to terrible problems. And the sort of what your book is about that if the walls come down, it's exciting, but it's also kind of terrifying. Once you start being able to make those things, you can make them in such a way that they evade the current vaccines. We can then develop new vaccines and you're in a really ugly arms race.

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