What actually happens within the public sector really matters. How do we structure it? How do we welcome that experimentation? And top of that, how should they relate to each other? I think that one of the big problems in the UK has been not so much that certain things have been privatized but how? If Richard Branson does, for example, want to enter the transport industry around rail or if companies want to enter water or health, they should be under strict conditions.
In this two-part episode recorded in 2018, economist and author Mariana Mazzucato discusses her book, The Value of Everything, with UK Labour MP Stella Creasy. It's a wide-ranging discussion looking at how real wealth is created in our economy and how we can measure the true worth of both infrastructure and services. Mariana Mazzucato is Professor in the Economics of Innovation and Public Value at University College London.
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