How to Mobilize People to a Design Thinking Approach

I think to your point, we we have a lot of things in it. We feel like their's this this middle period where progress is being made that might not necessarily have the end financial benefit of having something launched and successful in market attached to it. You need these intersticial metrics, the the inputs and the through puts, and then you'll get to the outputs eventually. And i know inside of the course, we talk a lot about those, those beacons for change, to places to start small but where you can get something to marketet within a small time frame.