A person can still say, I receive the visible sign and seal, but I don't receive the thing signified. You know, they don't really understand that Christ is the precious gift being given or they have the faith that Jesus talks about. They're just kind of, it's not really faith. It gets burnt by the sun and blows away. Is it helpful? And this might not be, but in the Old Testament, Mike, because you have people who have the sign of circumcision who have the mark of being the people of God. But that goes all the way back to the Old Testament and the prophets continually saying, hey, do you think you're circumcised because of that