I was really interested in this as well and kind of seeing it repeated through the pieces that you had done, right? Everything needs to be quantified. We need to be able to track how everything is doing. And I would say sometimes they use this quantification to act like what they're doing is moral. But we need to think on a much longer time scale. Even if people are suffering today, well, you know, what about all the people in the future and we could protect them?"

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