I know

you are a cessationist at that one miracle. So my thing

is since God has woven into the faith itself, the very element of faith, the fact that there is this thing that is beyond human comprehension, beyond reason, it makes no sense. It's a trust factor. Trust in the Lord with all your heart, lean not on your own. It doesn't matter what degree you have. There is no understanding for the resurrection of a dead man who then ascended into heaven and we believe sits at the right hand of the father. I mean, just forget every other secondary issue on earth. That's the linchpin of the Christian faith is so bizarre to all of the people listening to this. Tells us nothing compared to that. Prophecy is nothing compared to that. Healing the, going, you believe a dead man rose. You believe you are not going to hell and you will be saved eternally because this dead man rose again. You believe he ascended into heaven. You believe he's going to come back again. There's difficulty believing that perhaps there's a supernatural to edify ourselves in our own private devotional prayer language. I think most Pentecostals would believe that God would give us that, that he could heal the body today, that he could give someone a word and I'm not talking. I'm not talking about the crazy prophetic things. There

was one. Well, let's hold on prophecy just a minute. We'll get back to that. Yeah.

Yes. I'm talking about that. But is God able to transcend natural laws? I'm not saying he does it all the time. I'm not even saying it's a normal pattern, but we have a pattern of it in the gospel's art. My bigger question to you Russell would be, why would you want the gifts to end? Our world is so dark. Our living on this planet is so hard to live as a born again believer of the Lord Jesus Christ on this earth is difficult enough. If Jesus himself, once he was buried, had a 40 day intermission before he went home to the father 40 days on this planet to say, hang on a minute, in Acts one verse four to say, I just need you all to wait. You've been with me. You've walked with me. You've heard my teaching. You have touched my miracles. I mean, they distributed the fish and the loaves. They touched the miracles. They saw blind eyes open. They saw the dead raised. But even that was not enough. Even though Jesus said, I need you to wait because another is going to come. The Holy Spirit of God is going to come and he's going to empower you with the power to be witnesses. I don't know how a Christian can be a witness on the earth, not to do witnessing, not to hand out for spiritual laws, but to be a witness without the empowerment and encounter. Call it what you want baptism, spirit filling and encounter with the spirit of God. Can I just say, not a once and

done either and on an ongoing basis?

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