The dominant culture is one which is kind of trying to be a descriptive science rather than design science. Do you think more people should be doing paracademia? And do you think that's, is that good for society? What are your thoughts on that? Right, right. So I think like the binary question, it's pretty easy to answer yes. But maybe like more interesting is like a continuous question, like if we had to move some kind of lever from academia, what's a carrying capacity is kind of para-academic setting. Should there be tens of thousands of such people? Should there be hundreds of thousand of such people?"

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