For me, the easiest thing for me to grapple is the ethics and the animal on the philosophical side. Not everyone loves animals and you don't have to love animals, but I just feel like that particular lever for me, I can pull that so easily. It's funny that you say that because he does have a bit of a quote unquote, following of it. So there's the guy that Danny had. Did you ever listen to that series? Yeah. Alex was one of the guests. In my opinion, he's the kind of person that would make people eat meat. Like in terms of... Out of spite.

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