The Difference Between Interest and Principles in Democracy

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The American Association of Retired Persons is a very normal kind of democratic politics. He is an identity group, people who are old of retirement age and we're going to defend their interests. The same I would say is true of associations representing Armenian immigrants in the United States. Eichmann should have been indicted for crimes against humanity, not for crimes against the Jewish people because what he did was a crime against humanity.

Susan Neiman is an American philosopher and writer. She is the Director of the Einstein Forum in Potsdam, Germany, and the author of Left is Not Woke.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Susan Neiman discuss how liberals can uphold their universal values while maintaining a politics of empathy and compassion; how the left’s tendency to discount the progress of the past inhibits progress for the future; and whether Germany can serve as a model for how America, and other nations, should deal with the dark aspects of their own history.

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