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336: Nick Gillespie—A Perfectly Reasonable Chat

The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe

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The Collapse of Our Institutions

There are a lot of people, this whole Kennedy thing, I'd love to get your take on him. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has got a lots of people all twisted up, right? And a lot of different ways. Look at that immersive, crowd-based creation of meaning, you know, where it's the art isn't happening on the wall or on the screen. It's happening among the people connecting.

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Speaker 2
And I was going to say that about the screen stuff. One of the things that's interesting is that there's a move that I've been following which I find really fascinating in the arts in particular like in painting and sculpture to really kind of do things that bring the audience out more because you can access everything via screens and it's great, it's liberating, it opens up the world. But more and more people want to be in a room where something is happening around that. And with other people. Well, why are we here? I
Speaker 1
mean, what freedom fest? Yeah. I mean, you know, 5,000 people who have something in common want to be together. You can have a festival alone. Right. I mean, you can, but it's kind of tragic. Look at
Speaker 2
that immersive, crowd-based creation of meaning, you know, where it's the art isn't happening on the wall or on the screen. It's happening among the people connecting. Yeah. I find that fascinating.
Speaker 1
I do too. And I know how enriched and nourished I feel after an experience like that. But you're talking about a funk. It's not a new idea, but it's the collapse of our institutions and it's the trust. Yeah. Like we need to be skeptical. That's why I'm a fan of your brand. But to encourage skepticism today is to encourage a form of denying. There are a lot of people, this whole Kennedy thing, I'd love to get your take on him. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has got a lot of people all twisted up, right? And a lot of different ways. And I heard a guy, I respect Sam Harris making sense, right? He's got a podcast and he listened to Kennedy on on Rogan and basically said that he wouldn't have him on his podcast, at least not at this point, because he didn't want to platform ideas that he believed were fundamentally irresponsible. And I was so struck by that because I think what Sam might be missing in this is this default that we've always had back in the simpler time that you described when the initials behind a person's name really were important. You know, a scientist with bona fides mattered, expertness mattered. And so the trust that we had in our medical community and in our political class, that was never super high, but it's never been lower than it is now.

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