Rufus Griskam, host of the Next Big Idea podcast, talks with Karen Mikhael. She shares her advice on how to use your spark a type in an impactful way. Rufus: How do you create something new when you have no blueprint of what that new even looks like? Karyn: I want to talk about how we can build more connection and more attunement through play so that people actually enjoy going to work.

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