You get a different perspective, right? Like you see the problem through the lens of somebody else. And then it's also keeping a high bar ah yourself and for your work. Rihtand this maybe is also something, this also has to do another thing that happens with kind of age and success is when we see the sectio to founders. It's like, at some point there are some founders where they start in company, three, four, five, six,. At some point they get tired of doing the work... They get tired of going back to basics.

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