What if the real risk in midlife isn’t change but staying comfortable?
In this episode of Midlife Chrysalis, Chip Conley sits down with Dr. Margie Warrell, global expert on courage and bestselling author of The Courage Gap, to explore why so many smart, capable people feel stuck and how to move forward with clarity and bravery.
Drawing from her journey from a rural Australian farm to the world stage, Margie shares powerful insights on courage, reinvention, and choosing growth over safety.
In this episode, you’ll learn:
- Why comfort quietly keeps you stuck
- The hidden “timidity tax” of playing it safe
- The tension between belonging and becoming
- Why courage is a decision, not a feeling
- Simple ways to take braver action in midlife
If you’re ready to stop circling what’s familiar and start stepping into what’s possible, this conversation is for you.
🎧 Watch now and choose courage over comfort.
Timestamps:
00:05 Meet Margie Warrell
01:08 Margie’s rural upbringing
02:33 The horse story and learning courage
05:00 Traveling the world after university
06:33 Early adulthood and global moves
08:47 Trauma, healing, and transformation
09:51 Life now and current work
11:05 Why courage is difficult
13:26 Becoming versus belonging
16:40 Regret and missed chances
21:19 Courage as action, not feeling
23:42 Closing the courage gap
23:42 Reset your focus
29:10 Challenge your certainty
33:50 Take the chance
36:13 Real-life courage breakthroughs
39:05 Courage, anxiety, and connection
42:34 Wisdom bumper sticker
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