World order with Ayse Zarakol
Mark Leonard's World in 30 Minutes
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The Chingasid Sovereignty Model
I think one of the interesting things about the way that you describe the Chingasid model is both this idea of centralization, which obviously has a lot of contemporary relevance in various different countries. And also this idea which you put forward of territorial reach, which I think is very interesting as well. Do you think that there are some lessons to be learned from the sort of pre-Westphalian era in terms of thinking about sovereignty now? Yes, I mean, we tend to take the nation-state model for granted. But there are good reasons to think whether technology or something else, that are notions of space and how we relate to each other. These things will change profoundly in
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