In 2018 when I was in the Central African Republic, we saw the Wagner-Trups arrive. And then a few months later, we realized they're located in all of the places where you find gold and diamond. Not just that, not just that, also where Earths and Copper and Cobalt and Lithium are found. These very countries are also the ones that are most climate vulnerable. So it's quite an explosive set of issues That led me to work on decarbonization, regeneration, and industrial policy.

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