I think we all grapple with that in some way. But I mean, especially for you, because it sounds like your mom was from Liverpool,. From what I was from Liverpool. When parents were like very hip, avant-garde people who loved us and did the best that they could but it was all about doing well. It was all about the appearance. So I didn't even, I think it was, I was 16 when the first issue of Ms. Magazine came out and I think that was when I first started to be able to talk back to the governance.

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