The Debt Ceiling and the White House

The White House wants to detouple the debt ceiling fight from the spending discussion, says CNN's John Avlon. The question is: Is the debt ceiling a bargaining chip or not? Biden is trying to saddle McCarthy with this collapse that may happen here by saying it's Republicans who are holding the debt ceiling hostage,. But McCarthy's position is we had to decide what the priorities are for the House and that we see these things as linked.