Limitations of Frameworks and Introduction to Socket

Carson Gross (creator of htmx) & Alex Russell (Mr. Web Platform 3000) join Amal for an EPIC discussion on web architectures, the evolution of rendering patterns & the advantages of hypermedia and htmx. We dive deep on why modern web app best practices are falling short & explore how htmx gives devs an HTML-first approach to use tech that’s over 20 years old.

Tune in to learn a new way to do something old, so you can simplify your code & use JavaScript when/where it’s uniquely able to shine ✨

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Featuring:

• chg – GitHub, X
• Alex Russell – Website, GitHub, Mastodon, X
• Amal Hussein – GitHub, X

Show Notes:

• htmx site and docs
• EPIC htmx Twitter
• Hypermedia Wikipedia
• Hypermedia Systems - A free digital book from Carson Gross, Adam Stepinski, and Deniz Aksimsek
• Hypermedia Reintroduction (from Hypermedia Systems book)
• Infrequently - Alex Russell’s EPIC blog
• The Market for Lemons
• Performance Inequality Series from Alex Russell
• Netflix Web Performance Case Study (refactoring the Netflix login to vanilla html, js and css)
• Roy Fielding’s Dissertation on REST
• REST APIs Must Be Hypertext-Driven
• HATEOAS Wikipedia
• Open Web Advocacy Group
• Open UI Group
• The Website vs Web App Dichotomy Doesn’t Exist
• As We May Type
• More Capable Form Controls
• Fun Hacks for Faster Content
• Google jsaction lib on Github
• Intercooler.js (Carson’s precursor to htmx)

Previous Changelog interviews with Carson Gross on htmx:

• Is htmx the way to Go? (Go Time #266)
• Less JavaScript more htmx (JS Party #171)

The Market for Lemons - Diagram on Session & Interaction Depth vs Application Architectures (referenced in our podcast discussion)

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