LZ Granderson: The UCLA clinic will keep kids coming in for years trying to force them to give up their gendered behavior. LZ: This is psychotherapeutic intervention every bit of stupid, I think as listeners, can be imagined. He says some people who come out of this milieu practice the most explicit and often Christian, anti gay and anti trans conversion therapy that does involve a lot of physical abuse and psychological abuse and even sexual abuse. "Even these indefatigable, cold hearted psychiatrists have to admit, it doesn't work well," he says.