Daniel: I just want to encourage everybody's listening to go and discover, go and see for yourself what this is because from my perspective, it is a paradigm shift in Western spirituality. And his hope would be that spiritual practitioners are more accommodating for these kinds of major shifts than other parts of the human experiment typically are where we have to kind of wait until people die to transform those kinds of aspects of what we do. Daniel: Thank you, thank you Rob both for your teachings, they have been a light in my life and also for your willingness to come on and kind of share your own journey with it and all of the things that you've shared today.