In a tight labor market maybe things could be different i'm hoping to be up absolutely well it's you know one of the um we're touching things in the book to me. Your mom was embarrassed that on occasion she would have to use food stamps and would actually drive to the next town over so so no one saw her really kind of heartwrenching moment in the book but i wonder having seen the economy from both sides now what do you think about the social safety net in the u.s. right now? I just man yeah i'm gonna answer that two ways because with some skill doesn't have to be a degree we can give people lots of new jobs right now so uh

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