The idea is that there's more people living into their eighties and nineties than there used to bea, because of these public health measures. So that upper ceiling is probably never going to be a broken. But if it was, you'd take someone like aubrey de grey, who, to me, is one of the more fascinating characters in this old thing. I mean, hes hero worshipped by a lot of them. He is sort of almost a defactor leader of the entire immortalist movement.

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