If you actually take a model and sort of put numbers on what are the benefits to birds from dying young and dying old,you have a way to think more rigorously about evolutionary processes. So fragmentation or speciation can happen for different an so one can be that you're just in different locations, riht, that these organisms are over on an island,. And then they might evolve to have different behaviors than these ones over on the mainland as a kind of accident of history.

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