Sasha: I went to a conference once in University of Michigan. She read a paper and this guy just went after her in this, like, vicious way. Nobody knew that I was her husband. And she said, Dude, don't you know, this happens to women all the time. Like this is my life. Why is that? Is it just not a trained thing or what happens where people don't learn to listen? It's a very famous trope Rebecca Solnit had the book, Men Explain Things to Me.

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