There were people like Stanislav Petrov and Vasili Archipov who should have holidays named after them because they disobeyed orders and stopped the escalation of what would have ended up in nuclear war. So it's an example of risk homeostasis that oh the zeitgeist is that the nuclear risk are always far more remote and unrealistic prospects relative to reality. The risk is very real now. I'm coming back on the 11th on June 12th is going to be the largest NATO military exercise in history called Defender 23. With all these things you never know when there's going to be a flub up or a mix up or a mistake and then that mistake has to be

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