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Magnus Ramage and Karen Shipp, "Systems Thinkers" (Springer, 2020)

New Books in Systems and Cybernetics

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Magnus Ramage, Author of Systems Thinkers, Second Edition

Magnus Ramage: I really appreciate the time you've taken to talk with me. The book took a long time to write, and it was part of my co-author Karen's conversation for about 10 years. And that would be my greatest encouragement to anyone who has this book or is interested in these people; they need to be brought to life. We're going to wrap up now.

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