i don't see the power of the analogy to evolution, like it at best has a surface like similarity. So this is exactly where i think you're being contient enough when you say there is this objective picture of the universe,. That that's the hin that we're trying to get towards. And even that means something static. The whole point of scientific description is to i that motion of the motion of the planets, or whether it's oxygen or hydrogen and so on.