The full 2 hour maximal edition of episode 381 is out right now at patreon.com slash the minimalists Your support keeps our podcast and YouTube channel 100% advertisement free because say it with me y'all Advertisements suck. We're joined in the studio today by Katherine Morgan Schaffler She's the author of this new book It is called the perfectionist guide to losing control Now, before we answer this question directly I want to say I first misread the title And this is my own imperfections My own perfectionism I read it as the perfectionistic guide to losing everything But isn't it a Freudian slip sort of because to a perfectionist control is all that I have

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