The Political Choice to Cut Off Russia Financially

There's a political decision to be made, especially in europe, ant also by the us. About whether to continue to buy russian gas for europe, russia oil for the us. If there's no way to get money to gas probem you're not going to get that gas. Leaders in the west have to make very clear that this is a sacrifice we have to make to support ukraine. That obviously comes at a cost at home. And swift is simply a consequence of that. Then, martin, we started by talking about your Ucranian family and your connections with it. But i want to talk to you now in your position as a nor