For a long time, western culture looked at indigenous people and said they don't have real knowledge. But if we actually listened to the people in question, we would see that they have a different kind of logic - it's interesting. The whole point of awaska and these other plants is that we can communicate with them and take their points of view into consideration. And so then here come the gringos who want to take aowaska and have healing, except they're sang, ah, yes, it's all good. It's all about healing. They ignore the power part, the harming part, the sorcery part, the dark part, that, for amazonian people,

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