i had come out of this p h d programme in cognitive science, where i was really studying learning. And hoker is just a different way to study that topic That's really, really powerful as a laboratory for thinking about human decision making. It exposes you to the way that you thinking and how hard it is to avoid decision traps. So not only did it kind of expose that, but then you had to start to figure out how how can i at least reduce the impact of that?...

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