I don't remember a single time. anyone standing up at a prime minister's press conference and saying, how many people are these policies going to kill. Because if you don't know the answer to that question, how can you possibly make the decision to lock down? So I think it's a really bad look. But those journalists did not ask the questions that Julia Hartley Brewer was asking on talk radio day in day out. And she was quite a lone voice. Isabelle Douglas Murray made the point when we were talking, when we didn't interview him during the pandemic. He said part of the problem is a fact that a lot of journalists don't have a scientific background.