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The Supreme Court was asked to rule in a complicated case about the North Carolina statute. It put to the test a really threatening idea about American democracy, what some people have called the independent state legislature doctrine. This puts to an end one of the most dangerous ways by which the elections in 2024, 2028 could have been stolen and could have led to significant civics strife.

Tim Mak is a writer, reporter, and founder of the online publication The Counteroffensive. He was formerly the Washington Investigative Correspondent for National Public Radio.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Tim Mak discuss the slow progress of Ukraine’s counteroffensive and how a big breakthrough might come about; how the collective experience of resisting Russian aggression has contributed to a shared sense of Ukrainian national identity; and what the future may hold for a post-war Ukraine.

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