John Howard was part of a government under John Howard that actually addressed this issue, not an easy issue to address. How does one navigate that? Well, enormous difficulty and with a lot of misunderstanding being bandied around, I think, is part of the process. And in many ways, it'll often be economic immigrants, you know, that become, if you like, boat people. They're skills and abilities. They're needed at home. And can't we find better ways to support them? Australia should take in a lot of refugees. We have one of the highest on a pro-rutter basis,. far above politically correct New Zealand. It's always painted as a hero,

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