Sue Pursuit: We all have the same nervous system and we're all bonding mammals. And I think what you're emphasizing totally here, Sue, is that the relationality is inherent even if there's vulnerability inside us. So like, it's all about learning to deal with the vulnerability that's inherent in that,. But you can't just like turn it off. It's not a, it's not a switch you can flip unless you are an extremely disordered person.

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