A so you said the grandmothers were not excited initially about the prospect of working with you. But you learned to adopt the language of the locals wrihteand to make sure that you are your king in their terms. Was that effective in getting them on to your side and motivating those 14 initial grandmothers to want a partner with you? I remember grandmother jack, the very first grandmother whom i interacted with and spoke to about the friendship bancs and thethe idea that i had. She was very apprehensive initially, and a dismissive when i first approached her because i was using lingo from the d s m five,. And she's looking at me like, and you think