So if you don't mind, I'd like to switch gears and actually kind of do something that you do on your podcast, which is look at things from the twin perspectives of reason and faith. So let's address this from the reason perspective. What can we say about the phenomena, this case with this 11 year old boy? What should we, what are some possible explanations for what happened

here? If you are, so in terms of possible explanations, well, this could all be a hoax. You know, the little boy possibly with the collusion of his mother and grandmother could have hoaxed all this somehow.

Well, couldn't also John Cruth be lying about everything.

John Cruth could be lying about everything. So the hoax could start there. It could start with the family. It would have to involve more than John Cruth though because he had an engineer with him as a co investigator. So it would have to be both of them. There is, it could be that there is a rare natural phenomenon that is intermittent like an electromagnetic field around the boy that turns on and off. Or it could be something, you always got to think about misperception and so forth. But this phenomenon is pretty overt. You know, it's not like you're looking at a smudge in the distance. It's like every piece of paper is going through the printer blank. You know, the phone is making an audibly weird noise every time the boy picks it up. So this is pretty overt phenomenon. It's hard to say there's nothing

going on here.