How Did You Get Into Apple?

I have a very strange background. I dropped out of college from 21 to like 27 in a ran a construction company, which is not your typical background at all. My focus was always security, so writing secure software. And that kind of led into my natural progression to moving into networks and secure networks and telemetry into the state of things. So yeah, I've heard that. That balance talked about a lot. And yeah, it's definitely, it definitely sounds tricky. And it's like emotionally frustrating too, you know, because as an engineer, you put a lot of value in like, what am I able to deliver? Right.