I was really struck when watching Free Solo with the early days of El Cap, you just said it's too scary. I wonder what led you to cross the border to saying, yeah, it's scary, but I want to go for it. Starting in 2009, I thought that it was time to free solo El Cap because it was the next obvious thing. And so I sort of harnessed that motivation to then actually work on ultimately free soloing it. Yeah, well, I didn't realize how much further down my personal journey it would actually be. It's basically six years of doing progressively bigger and harder climbs of other kinds before coming back to climbing.

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